A German TV station interviewed Cathy O'Brien and Mark Phillips, recently. The interview seems irresistible, when reported content compromised by hackers. There's still audio for deleted portions of the interview, since recorded previously for translation into German. Doesn't it make you curious? O'Brien and Phillips are authors of "Trance Formation of America," the story of Cathy's rescue from robotic mind control, co-written by Mark Phillips. The 1995 book undeniably influenced awareness of mind control and abuse of authority by small cabal within United States government. O'Brien names Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld as prominent members of cabal, who've been responsible for much of the abuse through the many years they've wielded power. The authors also campaign against 1947 National Security Act as facilitating subversion of government in the name of national security. A young Mormon mind control victim is also interviewed. The present writer still remains wary of Phillips, because of his CIA background.